This week, we'll discuss the following topics:
The staffers we talked to this week are Andrew Garda, Will Grant, Jeff Haseley, Justin Howe, Devin Knotts, John Mamula, and Jeff Pasquino.
Hester: Pick one player (or defense) you feel the need to have in every lineup this week, regardless of format. Tell us why they're a must-play this week.
Mamula: Hopefully, many fantasy owners were watching the Presidential debate on Monday night and missed the thumping that the Atlanta Falcons put on the New Orleans Saints. The Falcons dominated in the rushing game with 194 yards and three touchdowns between Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman. Bottom line, the Saints defense is terrible against the run and the pass. Opposing offensive coordinators are able to pick their preferred method of attack. For Week 4, the Saints-Chargers game currently has the total of 53.5 points. Expect the San Diego Chargers to attack the Saints early and often through the air. Philip Rivers is the quarterback that I anticipate having the highest exposure to this week due to his prime matchup.
Haseley: One player who has exceeded expectations each of the first three weeks of the season, without a major price increase is Indianapolis tight end Jack Doyle. The injury to Donte Moncrief has opened up the Colts offense to use more two tight end sets, thus making Doyle a relevant fantasy option on a team that heavily involves the tight end. Doyle has outplayed Dwayne Allen in each game so far and he leads the team in receiving touchdowns with two. Outside of T.Y. Hilton, Doyle has the second-most receptions on the team (13), and he's tied for second in team targets (15). The Colts have scored 81 points in 2016 – third in the AFC, which suggests fantasy points will continue to be produced for those more involved in the Colts offense. This week's opponent is Jacksonville (to be played in London Sunday morning eastern time), who has allowed 84 points this year (second-most in the AFC). This represents a favorable matchup for the Colts. This may be the last week to get Doyle at a discounted price, especially if he produces yet again.
Moderator's Note: It's also worth mentioning that if you're playing the main slate (which does not include the London game) and still want a cheap tight end, San Diego's Hunter Henry should be starting with Antonio Gates unlikely to play. This ties in nicely with John's suggestion of Rivers above as Henry will face a soft defense.
Garda: Football Outsiders DVOA has the Atlanta defense as the worst in the NFL, ranked 31st against the pass and 29th against the run. As that's the case, it's hard not to like Kelvin Benjamin for a bounce-back week. As rod as the Vikings defense is –and rest assured, it is fantastic – the Falcons is that bad. As much trouble as Benjamin had getting open and Cam Newton had getting time to find him last week, things should be the opposite this week as the two should have all day to hook up.
Pasquino: I will have a lot of exposure to Ezekiel Elliott this week as Dallas visits San Francisco. The 49ers looked terrible last week, and the Cowboys ran the Bears ragged on Sunday Night Football. If Christine Michael can run for 100 yards and two scores in three quarters, what will Elliott do? With Dez Bryant now hobbled with a hairline fracture, I see Elliott touching the ball at least 25 times, no question. Given how Chip Kelly’s 49ers do not care about time of possession and that they play so fast, the opposing teams get to run a lot more plays than usual. Carolina ran 84 plays in Week 2, and Seattle had the ball for almost 36 minutes, running 70 plays in a blowout (and they could have easily had more in a close game). Given Elliott’s price point, I love him as a pivot off of Bell, who is everyone’s favorite this week.
Knotts: There are a number of great plays this week, and I agree with the rest of the staff that players such as Elliott, Bell, Melvin Gordon are all in great spots, but when I look at a player who is a must play, I look at someone who is too cheap for the production, and that player is Terrelle Pryor this week. Most sites have him priced outside the top 20 wide receivers this week. For those that may not have watched, Pryor is turning into a player through whom the Browns are going to force their offense. As a wide receiver last week, Pryor had 14 targets for 144 yards. He also took 14 snaps at quarterback, a role that Hue Jackson said could increase this week as the Browns take on Washington. The Browns are expected to be down in this game, which means they are going to have to throw the ball a lot, and Pryor is the number one player in this offense.
Howe: I'll have roughly 75-80% exposure in LeVeon Bell, as he's a godlike fantasy producer with the best volume outlook in football. But that will covered in more detail later and will be discussed at great length all week. The same goes for Hilton, who’ll be my top-owned wide receiver. But beyond those two, I’ll also carry a ton of Cameron Brate. He’s cheap – absurdly so in some corners of the industry – and the summer reports of his impressive connection with Jameis Winston look apt. The two drew raves from onlookers for their rapport, with some commenting specifically on his red zone potential. That might make him seem a bit more touchdown-dependent than I’d like in a cash tight end, but at his current cost, he’s a steal. There are a few strong, affordable options at tight end, but Brate is so inexpensive he’ll be a lynchpin guy for me. Besides, who says his floor is low anyway? With the starting to job to himself last Sunday, Brate turned 10 targets into 46 yards and two touchdowns.
Going deeper, I'll probably carry Jordan Howard in at least half of my GPP lineups, if not more, and a healthy chunk of cash contests. Howard looked fantastic in his lone preseason game, and even better last week in relief of Jeremy Langford. Not all of the sites accounted for Howard’s new opportunity in their pricing.
Grant: Howard scares the crap out of me. The Lions can move the ball, and the Bears can't stop anyone. If Chicago gets down early, I can see them throwing and throwing.
One guy I'm also looking at is Pryor. His salary got a bump from last week, but he's still value priced and getting a lot of opportunities. The Browns are expected to be down early, and that means more garbage time for the Cleveland. Pryor is a guy who can reach value quickly running or catching the ball, especially in a PPR format. He's capable of getting double-digit targets and close to 20 touches in any given game. That's like an RB1 in opportunities.
I also like Cole Beasley this week, especially now that Bryant might not play or will be limited. He has more value in a full PPR league, but he's another guy getting seven to eight targets a game and making the most of them. It's just a matter of time before he breaks one for a touchdown, and when he does, he'll easily hit value.
Game Script Grab Bag
Hester: Pick a game on the Main Slate and tell us how you think it will play out. Which player(s) stand to benefit the most?
Mamula: Expect the Carolina Panthers to bounce back strong this week. Last week, the Panthers offense struggled vs. the Vikings, one of the best defenses in the league. This will not be the case this Sunday. Atlanta's defense has allowed at least 28 points in each of their first three games. The Falcons are coming off a short week and will have a tough divisional game vs. an angry 1-2 Panthers team. Cam Newton will shine as the Panthers grab an early lead and run away with the game. Expect at least three touchdowns from Newton with potential for more if the Falcons can keep the game competitive.
Haseley: I agree with you, John, about the Panthers coming out strong vs. Atlanta, especially if Atlanta fails to mount a consistent pass rush, which has been the Kryptonite for Newton – especially lately. Carolina may not be great at making in-game adjustments, but they do adjust week to week. Having said that, this Panthers defense is not last year's model. They have some holes with an underperforming front four, particularly their ends. This may be the week Charles Johnson (an Atlanta native) comes to life, but he has been a disappointment so far. Kony Ealy has struggled to put together a strong box score, and the pass rush has faltered as a result.
When that happens, more is expected from the secondary, which is inexperienced. Their toughness and ball-hawking skills have kept them a decent unit, but there are still concerns. The trickle-down effect of a weaker pass rush is a secondary that has to play a soft zone to keep from allowing big plays down the field. Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott has always been one to field a bend-but-don't-break defense. We are seeing that again this year, as the defensive backs grow and develop. A defensive strategy like that allows open plays underneath.
The Falcons run game could struggle with a good interior push and speed on the outside in Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, and Shaq Thompson in pursuit, but that can be negated with timely screen plays. The area where I see Atlanta exploiting the most is short, intermediate passes over the middle. Jacob Tamme could be the biggest beneficiary, especially if Mohamed Sanu (shoulder) is limited. A rebound for Julio Jones could also be in the cards. I'm expecting a less than stellar run game for Atlanta, but that could be made up with short passes to Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman.
I envision a strong game from Matt Ryan regardless of the game script. If Atlanta is leading, it will likely be due to the pass and if they are trailing in the second half, we'll see Ryan passing more to try to come back. The success of both teams' pass rush will dictate how this game turns out. If Carolina can get pressure on Ryan consistently, this will be an easy win for them. If not, look for a back and forth battle where turnovers will decide the victor.
Pasquino: I am 100% with John on the Panthers this week, and I even called for them as my Stone Cold Lock of the Year in “For The Win.” From that write-up:
The Panthers go into the Georgia Dome to face their divisional rival that cost them a 16-0 season last year with a Week 16 upset. Carolina has an opportunity here to right their record to 2-2, move to 1-0 in the division and back atop the NFC South standings. I think Cam Newton cannot wait to get after that Falcons defense that just let the Saints score 32 points. Watch the Panthers top 40 points in this one and run (and throw) the ball all over the place come Sunday. PICK: Panthers.
Pasquino: For my own game selection, I am also definitely circling that San Diego-New Orleans game. The Saints are coming off a short week and on the road, where Drew Brees typically does worse than at home. Keep in mind that there is a slight narrative as this is the first time Brees goes back to San Diego, where he first became a starter with the Chargers (they have played twice since then, both great performances in shootouts by Brees back in 2008 and 2012, but those were in New Orleans). I see a lot of offense on both sides of the ball, but Rivers will finally get a “W” over Brees this time in a high scoring contest. The Saints cannot stop anyone, and a great DFS play will be Melvin Gordon, who no one will be on after the weak game he posted against the Colts last week.
Moderator's Note: it's worth mentioning that Gordon still achieved the target cash game value Pts/$ multiplier on most DFS sites in said "weak game," thus highlighting his ceiling in future weeks (particularly this one, perhaps).
Knotts: I think we are all in agreement on how the Carolina game is going to play out this week as Atlanta's defense is just awful.
Howe: Obviously, my projections favor New Orleans-San Diego to feature the most pass attempts this week (78.3). But they actually spit out Indianapolis-Jacksonville at a nearly identical number (78.2), and I think that holds water. Neither of these teams wants to feature its running game, and both are notorious garbage-time producers. In that vein, it seems nearly impossible for any game script to hijack these passing games. They'll both throw to take a lead, and neither is likely to find much clock-killing ability on the ground.
That combination screams "T.Y. Hilton" to me. Without Donte Moncrief in action, the Colts are perilously thin at wideout and clearly view Phillip Dorsett as a novelty deep-ball threat. And his upside is huge, considering Andrew Luck has completed the second-most passes of 30+ yards in football. Hilton looks poised to dominate the intermediate targets and carry a strong deep-ball outlook. Jacksonville was scorched by the similar-sized Travis Benjamin two weeks ago, and I doubt they have the horses for Hilton. Going further, I love the absurd value in Jack Doyle, who's legitimately beyond Dwayne Allen in the passing progression.
I also like Seattle-New York Jets to produce serious fantasy scoring. The Seahawks and Jets currently sit fifth and seventh respectively in offensive snaps, and both carry the weaponry to make any snap count high-impact. And since both defenses boast nearly identically strong run defenses, I'm expecting around 70 passes to be thrown. As a side note: no quarterback has thrown more balls from inside the 10 yard-line than Ryan Fitzpatrick's 14. (That makes sense; Matt Forte is one of the least effective short-yardage runners of our time.) If this game indeed goes high-pace, Fitzpatrick will have plenty of opportunity.
Garda: People may think you mad, Justin, but that Seattle-Jets game could be very productive from a fantasy perspective, though I am really interested in merely watching the Seattle offense vs. the Jets defense. That offensive line is just bad and the Jets defensive front is incredible.
On a side note, several of Fitzpatrick's killer interceptions were in the red zone last week, two in the end zone. So we may not see much passing there this week.
For myself, I think Detroit at Chicago could have some real fantasy play. The defenses are dumpster fires, which is why the offensive players look good. Detroit, in particular, boasts Matthew Stafford, Marvin Jones, and Theo Riddick as solid options. Dwayne Washington could be a cheap option if you need to pour your money elsewhere as well. The Bears are 26th in the league vs. pass and run plays according to Football Outsiders DVOA, and I could see the Lions doing a lot of damage in both phases.
It's worth playing the Bears offensive players too, as the Lions are actually worse according to FO's metrics. Jordan Howard should be a decent play against what has been an underwhelming defensive front, and Alshon Jeffery and Kevin White should be good against poor secondary. The one concern I have with the passing offense is Brian Hoyer, who is a shaky bet any day, against even bad defenses. He did seem to lock onto White last week, targeting him 14 times (though White, true to form, caught just six of them) but also found time to get the ball to a hobbled Jeffery for 70 yards as well.
I feel much better about Detroit's offense than Chicago's and would prefer to spend money there. As bad as the defenses are, there are quite a few players who could perform.
Grant: I've also got my eye on Detroit vs. Chicago as a good place to pick up some solid value points. The Bears were hammered in Dallas last Sunday night and faced a long flight home after becoming an 0-3 team. Then they learned that Kyle Fuller would need to be placed on IR, and the defense keeps getting weaker. Jay Cutler is out for probably another week, and Jeremy Langford will be gone for another four-to-six. Jeffery is playing hurt and this week, even head coach John Fox missed practice with the stomach flu (from watching the replays of the Cowboys game probably).
The Lions come to town with a 1-2 record, having put up 81 total points this season (best in the division, third-best in the NFC) and needing a division win badly. Chicago is looking like a "get right" game for anyone, and it’s just what the Lions need at this point in the season.
Stafford is cranking out the passing yards, averaging 8.2 yards per attempt and over 328 yards per game. He has seven passing touchdowns against just two interceptions. Against the Chicago secondary, he’s almost a lock to reach cash game value with the major sites. Marvin Jones isn't going to have another game like he did last week, but he's going to catch a ton of passes this week, especially with Fuller out. I'd even consider Riddick as a possible option since it's possible that the Lions go up by two or more scores before half time and then just grind it out the second half.
Knotts: One under-the-radar game that I am taking a look at is Cleveland at Washington. Washington is projected to score 27 points in this game and is expected to win this game easily as they are 7.5 point favorites at home. Kirk Cousins has a track record of having a big game when the Redskins win by more than a touchdown. In the five games that the Redskins won by more than a touchdown, Cousins had 16 passing touchdowns. The Browns defense so far has allowed 300 yards passing per game, and Kirk Cousins is the best quarterback that they have faced so far this season.
On the other side of the ball, I expect Cleveland to get down early and be forced to throw the ball a significant amount in this game. The Browns showed that they are willing to put Terrelle Pryor all over the field as he is their only playmaker at the wide receiver position. And the former quarterback has enough of a skill set to take snaps and force the defense into sets to which they aren't accustomed. One other player on the Browns that I am looking at this week is Duke Johnson. He really has started off slow this year, but the game script has gotten the best of him, as the Browns have been in close games two of the three times this year. Cody Kessler showed that when Johnson is in the game, he is willing to throw the ball to him (five receptions last week), and I expect him to see a similar number. The Browns will be forced to throw the ball a lot in this game to try to keep pace as their defense is one of the worst in the league.
Small Slate Impact
Hester: Two teams have a bye in Week 4, and Indianapolis and Jacksonville square off in London, a game that begins at 9:30am EST. The London game will not be on the Main Slate at many sites, thus reducing the slate to 12 games.
How does this impact your style of play? Does it change how much of your bankroll you put in play? If you wanted exposure to Indianapolis or Jacksonville (or to fade that game strategically), how would you go about either course of action?
Mamula: The slightly reduced schedule does not impact my style of play or the weekly bankroll amount that I have in play. We are entering the bye week period of the schedule and thus have a reduced schedule most weeks. Every fantasy owner is still making the same roster decisions, just with a smaller number of overall options. For cash games, the elite matchups stand out more so it is critical not to miss the top overall plays. For many weeks, we will see higher DFS ownership percentages on certain elite players. If we can anticipate where the higher than usual ownership percentage will land, we have a better feel on how to diversify our GPP lineups. If I want exposure to certain games, such as Indianapolis-Jacksonville this week or New Orleans-Atlanta last week, I will target those contests in the best available GPP tournaments as most large 50/50 and double ups are not available for these games.
Knotts: I disagree with John a little bit here; slate size definitely matters when the games that you are missing out on are quality fantasy games. When a game with the third highest over/under is off the slate, this creates more overlap situations throughout the slate. Therefore, it limits the amount of quality players that are in the player pool on a given week. From a cash game standpoint to me it really doesn't matter, but from a GPP standpoint I will lower my action a little bit as this situation provides fewer players from which to choose. Cam Newton, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford, and Phillip Rivers are going to be the four most popular quarterbacks this week, and if you're trying to be contrarian from the field, there aren't the quarterbacks that you would typically look at such as Andrew Luck, Blake Bortles, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, as they are all not available or on a bye week. If I wanted action in the Indianapolis vs. Jacksonville game, the sites do offer a slate that starts at 8:30am EST that is Sunday Only, but in that slate that game is going to be higher owned than normal as the only people playing it are those who either want to fade the game or stack it. If I truly wanted action on this game, I would play the 15 game Thur-Mon slate which includes this game.
Garda: I'm more on John's side here, as while we are losing a few quality players, it's the same situation we're into each week. I just treat it like any other week – it's a bye week with four teams on bye.
That said, Devin is also correct in that if you do want action in those games, you now end up dealing with a situation where everyone is over-owned so, as he suggested, you have to play the bigger slate; though again, you still might be dealing with a higher ownership percentage for the Sunday Morning games, since people could aim for that slate just to play them. It will be interesting to see how the ownership numbers play out, and all this is would be another reason to dislike the England games. Sorry, British people.
Overall, I'm not changing much, but for the contrarian plays, you have to put more thought into them because your pool is much smaller.
Pasquino: In actuality, a smaller slate of games often gives me less to think about and more time to focus on each game. Knowing that the main slate is now just 12 games (and I use “just” liberally here), I should still be able to find plenty of value. Like John said, elite players will have elevated ownerships, so you better be on those players in cash. While I might like some of the Indianapolis-Jacksonville players, there are alternate slates to play to include those players. Just know that if you are playing in those slates, expect the ownership of those players to be high since that’s probably why DFS players are in those games in the first place. If you have a GPP roster you like and you also don’t like the players off the main slate, playing a GPP that includes these games would be beneficial (since more of the rosters would have these players than usual).
Overall, though, as long as there are 10+ games in a slate and I like enough of them, I do not see much reason to vary the DFS play that much, if at all.
Howe: Devin brings up an excellent point about those “specialty” games (weird kickoff times). They seem tempting, but they’re less predictable and can throw a wrench in your well-laid plans. I’m willing to bet that T.Y. Hilton will be the week’s highest-owned wideout on that slate, for example, and he’s an elite option to hit GPP value this week. But that ownership would dampen the Colts’ (and Jaguars’, to a lesser extent) GPP appeal.
What makes things even iffier is that Jaguars-Colts profiles to be a high-scoring game. It’s likely to feature multiple big-time performers, some with absurdly high ownership. Pick the wrong guy and you’re in more trouble than usual. If for instance, you spend huge on Hilton and Allen Robinson and they’re vultured for touchdowns by Jack Doyle and Allen Hurns, you’ll be in bigger trouble than usual, since Doyle and Hurns will have much higher ownership than they would on a typical slate. Where you’d usually be just fine with Doyle 3% owned, his 8-10% mark in this slate can knock you down noticeably. You can insulate from this risk, of course, with numerous GPP lineups. But if you’re throwing a one-shot into a single-entry tournament, you have to add the “did I pick the right guys?” concern to the already suboptimal ownership numbers and come away with a riskier play than usual.
In a cash contest, I’m not worried at all. I’m all about following the chalk in cash games, and I’m confident Hilton and Doyle will produce cash value on Sunday, so I welcome those high ownership levels. Since those wonky games tend to add an attractive option or two that carries a ton of chalk, I like getting in on them.
Grant: Like Justin, I'm not worried about the smaller slate in cash games. Now that we've had a couple weeks for salaries to settle down and players to have a larger sample set of performance, it's easier to find guys who will hit or exceed their salary value based on matchup and opportunities. I'll be using my normal slate of games and might even go a little heavy since I (personally) had a rough start to the season on a couple sites.
The key to remember if you want a piece of the London action is that you have to make your "last minute" adjustments early. We advise people to double-check their lineups as close to game start as possible. The London games start at 9:30am ET, and that catches some guys off guard a bit (in season-long as well).
Ringing the Bell?
Hester: Throughout the last few seasons, "Pittsburgh RB" has been among the most valuable commodities in fantasy. LeVeon Bell's suspension is over, and he's expected to take over as the lead back in Pittsburgh starting this week.
Is he priced appropriately throughout the industry? Are you inserting him right into your lineups confidently?
Mamula: Bell is priced as the second-highest RB, $300-$400 below David Johnson, on the main DFS sites. After Week 4, expect Bell to be priced as the highest RB on most sites. The Steelers offensive gameplan has been to feature one main back over the past few seasons. Bell will assume the majority of the touches and consequently will now be the top overall running back in DFS as long as he remains healthy. Yes, I am inserting Bell into my lineups confidently. He is in consideration as an every week cash play and GPPs due to his high floor/high ceiling.
Knotts: The Steelers are a team that likes to use one running back each week. Last year, when Bell was in the starting lineup, Deangelo Williams averaged 2.6 carries per game (excluding the Cincinnati game where Bell was injured). Realistically, Bell should be the highest-priced running back this week, as Pittsburgh only has two reliable weapons in this offense, and last week showed that Antonio Brown can't do it alone. Bell will be in almost every one of my lineups for both GPPs and cash games this week, as he is going to be lesser owned than he probably should be as people may be scared off because of the suspension and not practicing with the team. Bell is likely going to have 25-30 touches in this game including five or more through the air, which can not be said about very many other running backs in this league on a given week.
Howe: The Steelers don't ease Bell along, nor are they shy about debuting his seasons with big workloads. Last year, Bell sat the first two games, then stepped into a 26-touch debut. He excelled, amassing 132 total yards (which included seven receptions) and a touchdown on the road against a solid Rams defense. Most importantly, Williams was an afterthought, with just one touch. In Pittsbugh, the starter absolutely dominates touches while the backup watches, and I can’t see that changing this year. Williams is a mediocre runner and subpar receiver, while Bell is the best back on this planet. Frankly, anything below 25 touches would be an upset.
And as Devin suggested, I’ll own plenty of him – exposure in just about every cash and tournament lineup. He’s priced high right off the bat, so we don’t get a "debut discount," but there’s never anything wrong with paying a top-three running back salary for Bell. No one can claim his ceiling, his floor is always stable considering the receiving potential, and he won’t be owned too highly as DFS players hedge their exposure to him. This is the quintessential Bell week.
Haseley: You guys have covered his usage and availability, which I agree with. I do think we may see a possession or at least a few key downs with Williams making some plays, but for the most part, this is Bell's role. And Mike Tomlin is going to give him a ton of reps. On paper, Kansas City seems like a decent run defense, but in actuality, they are 24th in the league in total rushing yards allowed (123.0 per gm, 4.2 YPC). Ironically, their biggest rushing allowance came at home (155 yards to San Diego in Week 1), rather than their one road game, but it's a small sample size at this stage of the season. I can totally see Bell coming out on fire, a player on a mission, playing for an offense that is looking to redeem themselves after shooting a blank against cross-state rival, Philadelphia. I have no problem with those who want to have Bell ownership in his first week back.
Garda: While I agree we might get a little taste of Williams, I too expect the Steelers to ring the Bell loud and long all game. I expect him to be really highly owned this week despite the price (which, while high, is probably close to spot on) so if you feel contrarian, you'll get to save some money.
I might avoid him in a few tournaments when I want to buck trends, but by and large he'll feature in a lot of my lineups. The upside is too good.
Pasquino: While I agree that most of the time, Pittsburgh is a one-back offense, I’m actually a bit concerned about going all-in on Bell this week. Williams looked so good in Week 1 and Week 2, it is possible that he gets used more than we think. Bell may not be in game shape just yet with such a layoff, but I think I will use him for three reasons: (1) Who else? I’m not sure who else I have as much confidence in as Bell, but the fact that this is the first time we will see him does slightly concern me. (2) His price is discounted from “stud Bell” valuations, as my first concern already seems priced in. (3) Kansas City has held opposing quarterbacks to the lowest QB Rating of any team in the NFL so far this year (56.3), which means Pittsburgh needs to win this game on the ground. I expect Bell to get 20-25 touches and Williams 8-10, and that will be plenty for Bell to reach value.
Grant: I guess I'll take the contrarian approach a bit with Bell. Rust is a bit of concern and while last year he came back strong, let's not forget that he was lost to injury just a few weeks later. This leads me to think that the Steelers might not lean as heavy on Bell this year. He's not priced as the top back in most formats yet though, so as Jeff pointed out, 20-25 touches should be plenty of opportunity for Bell to reach value. I think Jeff's got it right for touches on Williams as well (8-10). Basically, I'm approaching with some caution.
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